Mikey Dickerson, a former engineering manager at Google and current administrator of the U.S. Digital Services, and Haley Van Dyck, deputy administrator at the USDS, dive into the innovative role of government as both an IT buyer and builder. They discuss the unique challenges of integrating technology in government, from attracting top talent to understanding user needs. The conversation highlights how the USDS strives to operate like a startup in a complex bureaucracy, emphasizing the importance of user feedback and agility in enhancing citizen-facing services.