Two veteran climate experts -- analyst Hal Harvey & journalist Justin Gillis -- have released a new book that seeks to home in on the climate policies that offer the most impact for the least effort. I talk with them about learning curves, performance standards, industrial policy, & more.  This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.volts.wtf/subscribe

In this enlightening talk, John Doerr, an influential engineer and investor in sustainability, joins Hal Harvey, a climate policy expert, to address the urgent need for global action against climate change. They emphasize that it’s now cheaper to save the planet than to damage it, but time is running out. The duo discusses the complexities of decarbonizing the grid, innovative energy solutions like green hydrogen, and the critical role of public utilities in transforming energy policies. Their dialogue inspires hope and urgency for a sustainable future.