In this engaging discussion, Gustavs Zilgalvis, a technology and security policy fellow at RAND, dives into the futuristic topic of Mars governance. He explores how technological advancements like reusable rockets and AI scaling laws will revolutionize space exploration. Zilgalvis also examines various governance models for Martian settlements, blending commercial and national approaches with lessons learned from Earth. His insights reveal how we might navigate the sociopolitical landscape of new worlds, paving the way for future pioneers.