In this engaging discussion, Tyler Gibgott, a young magician and cognitive science student, and Gustav Kahn, a psychology professor with a magic background, delve into the art of deception. They explore how Trump's rhetoric mirrors magical techniques to manipulate public perception. The conversation highlights the psychology of misinformation and the significance of cognitive biases in shaping beliefs. Additionally, they discuss societal instability, magical thinking, and how our physical structure influences cognition, paralleling magic with personal growth and political dynamics.