Greg Grandin, a Yale historian focused on US imperialism and Latin America, joins for a sharp critique of mainstream narratives about authoritarianism, particularly regarding figures like Trump and Putin. He discusses how liberal historians simplify complex global issues to fit a tidy narrative, often overlooking America’s own role in oppression. The conversation also challenges the concept of audience flattery in political discussions and emphasizes the need for a more nuanced understanding of history and governance, especially in the context of the upcoming 2024 election.

Mossab Abutoha, an acclaimed Palestinian poet, shares poignant reflections on the devastating humanitarian crisis in Gaza, highlighting the emotional impacts of the ongoing conflict. Meanwhile, Greg Grandin, a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian, delves into the consequences of January 6th pardons, the rise of militia movements, and their ties to law enforcement. Together, they explore themes of violence, politics, and historical complexities, providing a deep understanding of current geopolitical issues and the personal toll on those affected.