Grant Faber, a Consultant at Carbon-Based Consulting, delves into the intersection of anthropology, carbon markets, and governance. He discusses James C. Scott's ideas on 'legibility' versus complexity, exploring why states prefer orderly approaches that often overlook justice. The conversation tackles the nuances of carbon removal and the challenges within market standards, emphasizing the importance of understanding diverse stakeholder perspectives. Faber also reflects on conservation and the intricate human experiences that shape it, revealing the tension between simplification and genuine complexity.