Graham E. Fuller, former vice chair of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA, shares his expertise on the aftermath of Assad's regime in Syria, particularly with the rise of HTS led by Abu Muhammad al-Jalani. He critiques media portrayals of political Islam, advocating for nuanced understanding. The conversation dives into the geopolitical intricacies involving the U.S., Turkey, and Israel, revealing how conflicts are often driven by geopolitical motivations rather than purely religious factors. Fuller emphasizes the need for careful diplomacy amid shifting global power dynamics.