Graham Duncan, founder of East Rock Capital, is renowned for his exceptional talent selection in investments. He discusses the importance of empathy in hiring and recognizing candidates' motivations, which can transform traditional recruitment practices. The conversation also dives into fostering creativity through thoughtfully designed workspaces and highlights effective strategies for building strong investment partnerships. Katie Ellenberg adds her insights on the significance of operational efficiency in investment management, enhancing the listener's understanding of modern finance.

Graham Duncan, Co-founder of East Rock Capital and talent tracking expert, shares fascinating insights on evaluating human potential. He emphasizes the importance of navigating ambiguity in talent selection and discusses innovative hiring strategies. The conversation also touches on the orchid and dandelion analogy for nurturing talent, the mindset for successful investing, and the distinction between finite and infinite games in finance. Listeners will appreciate Duncan's perspective on valuing time over traditional wealth and embracing mindfulness in everyday life.

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Graham Duncan, longtime investor and author of a legendary essay on reference checking, discusses the importance of being aware of biases during interviews and reference checks. He emphasizes the need for stamina and curiosity in obtaining truthful information through reference checks. The podcast also explores the concept of self-deception in high talent individuals and the risks of hiring from established companies for startups.

Graham Duncan discusses the importance of talent in investment, finding the right people, references and testimonials, investing in individuals, understanding sensitive children, making investment decisions, the role of a coach, recommended books, finite and infinite games, being in the top 1%, and the SON Conference for pediatric cancer fundraising.