Giorgia Scaturro, a London-based Italian reporter specializing in international affairs, and Robin Brant, a former BBC China correspondent, delve into the fallout of the Assad regime's potential collapse and its ramifications for Europe. They discuss the complexities of refugee movements and the need for political solutions respecting minority rights. Karthik Ramanna, a public policy expert from Oxford, sheds light on managing outrage in today's polarized world, linking it to broader societal challenges. The conversation touches on Italy's dynamic politics and trade tensions in the EU.