Ronen Bergman, a New York Times staff writer and author, and Giordana Pulcini, an expert on Middle East security, engage in a profound discussion about the historical roots of the Israel-Palestine conflict. They delve into the impact of iconic events like the Munich Massacre and Israel's Operation Opera, highlighting how these incidents shaped modern terrorism and international relations. The conversation also explores the legacy of violence and the essential lessons from history needed to navigate current tensions in the Middle East.