Georgia Smith, a Cloud Transformation Leader and host of the Cloud Dialogues podcast, joins the discussion to unearth the 'big rocks' in cloud transformations. She emphasizes the significance of addressing cultural and governance challenges, while critiquing bottom-up change management. The conversation also covers the evolution of organizational leadership and the importance of generational diversity. With a mix of humor, anecdotes, and insights, they explore how effective governance can drive successful transformations while keeping the workplace inclusive and adaptive.