In this engaging discussion, guests include Carol Dweck, a Stanford psychology professor known for her work on mindset, Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis, and Paul Rozin, an expert on benign masochism. They explore the thrilling allure of horror movies and why some find joy in fear. The conversation dives into the psychology of negative emotions, the benefits of benign masochism, and the strange appeal of spicy foods. Personal anecdotes and studies illustrate how discomfort can offer control and even pleasure in our cultural experiences.