George Brandis, a former attorney general, shares his expertise on the intricate relationships between political accountability and governmental structure. He argues for ASIO's accountability to the attorney general, emphasizing the significance of oversight in national security. The discussion delves into the creation of the Department of Home Affairs, highlighting the political conflicts and historical events that shaped immigration policies. Brandis also addresses the complexities of integrating arts within government portfolios, advocating for strategic alignment with national interests.