In this engaging discussion, Geoff Manne, President of the International Center for Law & Economics and an antitrust law expert, dives into the Department of Justice's lawsuit against Apple. They explore Apple's closed ecosystem and its implications for consumer choice and competition. The conversation critiques the antitrust claims related to messaging services and examines the complexities of Apple's market power. They also ponder the potential consequences of a 'DoJ-designed smartphone' and what it could mean for innovation in the tech industry.