In this engaging discussion, Genzan Kennell, a Sensei at Upaya Zen Center, blends the teachings of Zen masters Dogen and Ryokan with modern Butoh dance. He reflects on the poetic wisdom found in Ryokan's life and how it can serve as a choreography for Zen practice. Genzan shares personal connections to Ryokan’s poetry, emphasizing themes of solitude and mindful communication. He highlights Dogen's teachings on simplicity and stillness, urging listeners to embrace non-doing amidst chaos. Overall, the conversation is a rich exploration of art, compassion, and the essence of true Dharma.