In this engaging conversation, Gayle Beebe, President of Westmont College and author, shares insights on navigating life's profound crises. He discusses how challenging experiences can foster spiritual growth and resilience. Drawing from personal anecdotes and leadership wisdom, Beebe emphasizes the importance of community support during grief and the transformative power of suffering. The dialogue explores finding meaning in pain, the complexities of betrayal, and maintaining faith amidst trials, offering hope for those facing their own crucible moments.