Gary Laderman, a professor of American religious history and cultures at Emory University, specializes in death, dying, and spirituality. In this lively conversation, he explores the transformative power of psychedelics, linking them to spiritual awakenings and contemporary beliefs. Laderman humorously discusses academia's challenges, the sacred clown archetype, and the impact of social media on modern spirituality. The dialogue also addresses societal perceptions of addiction and materialism, emphasizing resilience and the evolution of cultural attitudes.