Vittoria Elliott, a Wired reporter focused on Elon Musk's sway over the U.S. government, joins Frank Vogel, co-founder of Transparency International and corruption expert. They delve into Musk's unprecedented access to the Treasury and its potential risks, including unauthorized access to sensitive data. The duo highlights critical concerns over the intersection of tech wealth and democracy. They draw unsettling comparisons to historical authoritarianism, emphasizing the urgent need for oversight to protect democratic values from the encroachment of powerful business interests.