Ilaria Mazzocco, an expert on US-China relations, and Frank Fannon, a senior advisor on energy resources, unpack the intricate energy and climate dynamics between the U.S. and China. They delve into the terms 'de-risking' and 'decoupling' and their implications under the Biden administration. The discussion highlights the contrasting energy strategies of both nations, including China's rise in renewable energy production. They also touch on the challenges of cooperation in clean energy while navigating complex geopolitical tensions.