In this engaging conversation, Forest, 40, and Kathleen, 43, reveal their struggle with $150k in credit card debt despite earning $300k. They discuss the psychological toll of financial stress and their adventurous lifestyle clash with money realities. The couple shares insights on communication and collaboration in financial planning, the impact of their upbringing on spending habits, and the need for a mindset shift. They explore practical strategies to reduce expenses and regain control over their finances while maintaining their relationship's strength.