Felix Marquardt, an Austrian-American writer and author of "The New Nomads," argues that migration is a fundamental part of the human experience, essential for empowerment and education. In contrast, David Goodhart, a journalist and author, highlights the risks of mass migration, like brain drain and cultural dislocation. They discuss the impact of COVID-19 on perceptions of migration, the ineffectiveness of traditional global forums, and the balance between nationalism and internationalism, urging deeper understanding in this complex issue.