Saad Mohseni, chairman of Afghanistan’s largest television station and co-author of "Radio Free Afghanistan," and Fatima Gailani, women’s rights activist and peace negotiator, discuss Afghanistan's dire situation. They highlight the severe restrictions on women's rights and the hunger crisis facing the country. The conversation explores the paradox of economic indicators improving while the population struggles daily. They also address the complexities of international engagement and the need for a reevaluation of strategies towards the Taliban.