In this episode, we talk to Peter Dimock, Eugene Lim, and Ian Dreiblatt, discussing the future of books, the political potency of experimental writing, and the value of reading beyond commodification. We explore surveillance capitalism, the durability of books, the changing perception of reading, and the coherence of novels versus the skimming of the internet. We also delve into imagining justice and kindness, exploring the concept of 'experimental' literature, and the practices of hope and collaboration.