Esmee van de Giessen, a strategic partner manager with expertise in agile transformation, joins Dave and Rob for a reflective chat on their recent season. They explore five lessons in change leadership, drawing parallels with climbing Everest. The conversation highlights the importance of diverse teams in digital transformation and the critical role of FinOps in sustainable practices. They also discuss the evolving landscape of AI, its dual implications for society, and personal anecdotes about summer plans and travel adventures.