Erica Jong and the host explore John Updike's 'The City Outside,' discussing his transition in poetry style, shared fears of falling and flying, and the influence of beauty and sorrow in poetry. They also analyze poems by Jong and Updike, offering recommendations for further reading.

Author Erica Jong and daughter Molly Jong-Fast reflect on the controversial novel Fear of Flying. They discuss the constraints women faced, the impacts of marriage on creative expression, and the enduring relevance of the book 50 years later. They also touch on second-wave feminism and the overturning of Roe v. Wade.