Mark Zuckerberg, CEO and Founder of Meta, joins journalist Emily Chang to discuss Meta's groundbreaking push in AI with Llama 3.1. They explore the clash between open-source and closed models in the AI landscape. Zuckerberg shares insights on fostering innovation and creating a diverse AI ecosystem. The conversation takes a personal turn as Emily visits Zuckerberg's retreat, where he teaches her wakesurfing. Together, they navigate the implications of AI on social interactions and the future of technology.