Cultural historian Emily Bernard, known for her work on African American literature, and comedian Toussaint Douglass, recognized for his sharp humor, dive into the life of Frederick Douglass. They discuss his incredible journey from enslavement to becoming a powerful voice for abolition and equality. The conversation highlights Douglass's poignant critique of American independence and his complex relationship with Lincoln. Together, they explore Douglass's enduring legacy and the profound impact of his rhetoric on current racial issues.

Greg Jenner is joined by special guests Prof Emily Bernard and comedian Toussaint Douglass in 19th-century America to meet Frederick Douglass. Born into an enslaved family, Frederick fought against all odds to secure his freedom and went on to become a famed abolitionist, orator, writer and statesman.You’re Dead To Me is a production by The Athletic for BBC Radio 4 Research by Anna-Nadine Pike and Jess White Written by Emma Nagouse, Anna-Nadine Pike and Greg Jenner Produced by Emma Nagouse and Greg Jenner Assistant Producer: Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow Project Management: Isla Matthews Audio Producer: Steve Hankey

In the first of five special episodes on US history, Greg Jenner is joined by Prof Emily Bernard and Roy Wood Jr in 1920s New York as they take a look at the movers and shakers of the Harlem Renaissance. Walk through one of Harlem's infamous rent parties and meet the greatest icons and minds from music, politics and the literary world during a cultural revolution.Produced by Cornelius Mendez Script by Greg Jenner and Emma Nagouse Research by Harry Prance, Jess White, Tim GalsworthyA production by The Athletic for BBC Radio 4.