In this engaging discussion, Elyse Rivin, a guided-walks host and tour guide from Toulouse, unpacks the life of Charles de Gaulle, a pivotal figure in French history. They explore his military career, bravery during WWI, and role as a leader in WWII. Elyse shares insights into de Gaulle's complex relationships with Allied leaders and his profound influence on modern France, including the establishment of the Fifth Republic. Personal anecdotes, like Annie's family's ties to Algeria, add a rich layer to the conversation about resilience and leadership.