Jackie Flynn Mogensen, a science and health reporter at Mother Jones, discusses the catastrophic effects of Trump’s federal funding freezes on public health, emphasizing a $40B NIH funding pause that jeopardizes research and communication. Elie Mystal, justice correspondent at The Nation, addresses the dismantling of DEIA initiatives, illustrating the broader implications for marginalized groups and civil rights. Together, they unravel the chaos within governance, showcasing how reckless actions have far-reaching consequences for science, health, and equity.