In this podcast, Elizabeth Gips interviews Terence McKenna, a psychedelic philosopher and author. They discuss the importance of psychedelics and the questions to consider when choosing a psychedelic experience. They explore DMT and cauldron chemistry in shamanic practices, as well as the significance of natural sources in psychedelic experiences. They also delve into the transformative power of psychedelics in personal growth and societal evolution. The podcast concludes with reflections on the recording and a tribute to Margine McKenna.