Join Elizabeth Brunig, a staff writer at The Atlantic, and Will Swaim, president of the California Policy Center, as they dive into the contentious landscape of political retribution. They explore how Trump's vengeance-driven politics shaped the current climate and discuss the backlash against health authorities during the pandemic. The conversation touches on vaccine skepticism, the role of nostalgia in political movements, and strategies for engaging with those who hold opposing views. It's a provocative look at how health, politics, and personal beliefs intersect.