In this enlightening discussion, Elisabet Sahtouris, an evolution biologist and futurist, explores the intersection of science and spirituality. She highlights the importance of indigenous wisdom in environmental understanding and critiques traditional Western scientific models. Sahtouris discusses the evolution of consciousness, showcasing how it parallels biological evolution and emphasizes the power of recycling in transformation. Her metaphor of a caterpillar to butterfly resonates through economic change, while she stresses urgent climate action for future generations.