In this engaging discussion, Barry Loewer, a Professor of Philosophy at Rutgers University, and Eddy Chen from UC San Diego, debate the nature of physical laws. Loewer advocates for the idea that laws are mere summaries of observations, while Chen argues they are fundamental constraints of reality. They delve into topics like causation, metaphysical necessity, and the nature of free will. Their witty banter brings light to heavy concepts, examining how these philosophical views impact our understanding of the universe and questioning whether we are truly governed by anything at all.