Ed Miliband, a key voice in Labour's energy policies, discusses his ambitious plan to decarbonize the electricity grid by 2030. Ross Clark critiques this vision, arguing that Miliband's claims ignore the grid's limitations. They explore how Miliband's scheme may lack substance, serving more as a financial funnel than a genuine energy initiative. Additionally, the conversation shifts to Zia Yusuf, the new chairman of Reform UK, presenting himself as a unique figure in British politics, seeking to reshape the party's identity.

Ed Miliband, former leader of the Labour Party, discusses his failure to win the 2015 general election, anxiety, family history, therapy, and the power of big ideas and personal stories.