This week features an eco-philosopher who has spent decades grappling with ecological issues while maintaining an optimistic spirit. They discuss the emotional rollercoaster of environmental activism, exploring deep ecology as a source of empowerment. The conversation dives into humanity's complex role in nature and the importance of recognizing our interconnectedness. They also touch on influential texts that challenge traditional views and inspire a sustainable future. It's an uplifting look at how to navigate despair and find hope in a changing world.