Echo Cat, a researcher well-versed in film, occult, and countercultural networks, dives deep into the controversial ties between notorious figures like Andy Warhol, Vincent Gallo, and Charles Manson. They unravel the complexities of Warhol's exploitative practices and Gallo's connections to Manson's associates. The duo discusses Gallo's unsettling merchandise, his disturbing on-screen roles, and his controversial political leanings, all while questioning how trauma and art intertwine. Echo Cat also shares insights on the implications of consuming unsettling art mindfully.