Drew Hinkes, a partner at KNL Gates and crypto law expert, teams up with Martin Koppelman, co-founder of Gnosis, to explore the complexities of Ethereum amidst sanctions on Tornado Cash. They discuss the unclear legalities of decentralized finance, the impact of proof-of-stake on censorship resistance, and the behavior shifts of miners. The duo also delves into entities involved in staking, the liabilities of validators, and the role of Flashbots in potential censorship. Expect insights on how these challenges affect Ethereum's decentralization and regulatory compliance.