Dr. Zeke Emanuel, an architect of the Affordable Care Act, Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist, and Donald McNeil Jr., a former NY Times health reporter, dive into the implications of RFK Jr.'s controversial nomination for the Department of Health and Human Services. They explore the rise of COVID denialism, the complex anti-vaccine movement, and the impact of political beliefs on public health strategies. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of science-based decision-making amidst a shifting landscape of health policies.

Zeke Emanuel, an oncologist and bioethicist who advised former President Obama, discusses strategies for safely reopening amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. He highlights the necessity of improved infrastructure and a robust testing strategy that includes asymptomatic individuals. Emanuel emphasizes the role of technology in contact tracing and warns of the potential dangers of a rush to reopen. He also reflects on the societal changes required after the pandemic to strengthen social safety nets and ensure public well-being.