In this thought-provoking conversation, Dr. Mark Durie, a pastor and author, and Dr. Richard Schumack, a philosopher, explore the complex interplay between Islam and Western culture. They examine how foundational Islamic texts emphasize submission, contrasting this with Western values of freedom. The guests discuss the historical role of Muhammad and the challenges of integrating Islamic principles with democracy. They also touch on the importance of love and reconciliation in bridging belief systems, highlighting the need for theological literacy in understanding modern conflicts.