Dr. Vivian Lee, author of "The Long Fix," and Dr. Jill Gross, a licensed psychologist, delve into the chaotic world of healthcare finances and the personal toll of burnout. Vivian critiques the fee-for-service model, arguing it prioritizes profit over patient care. Jill shares her firsthand struggles as a mental health provider facing insurance challenges and inadequate compensation. Together, they advocate for systemic reforms and emphasize the need for better mental health access, encouraging listeners to rethink their approach to wellness in a demanding landscape.