Dr. Douglas Elliffe, a Professor of Psychology at the University of Auckland, delves into the fascinating world of animal behavior, particularly through his renowned Kiwi Aversion Training study. The conversation navigates the balance between rewards and fear in training, advocating for a nuanced approach. He also critiques existing training methods, emphasizing the need for innovative strategies to address modern challenges in canine training. Furthermore, Elliffe discusses the importance of scientific rigor in validating training programs, urging a shift towards objective truth in research.