Dr. Carmen Celestini, a lecturer at the University of Waterloo who specializes in extremism and conspiracy theories, dives into the implications of Pat King's conviction from the 2022 convoy protests. She discusses how this verdict could influence the legal battles of other organizers and the trajectory of far-right movements in Canada. The conversation also touches on the evolving landscape of political expression versus extremism, and how societal changes, including potential shifts under a new U.S. administration, may amplify these dynamics.