Joined by Dorothy Crawford, a retired professor and co-author of "Cancer Virus," and Bill Robinson, a Stanford immunology expert, the conversation dives into the Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) and its hidden dangers. Crawford reveals how pioneering research uncovered EBV's connection to cancer, reshaping our understanding of viruses. Robinson discusses his groundbreaking work linking EBV to multiple sclerosis and other autoimmune diseases, highlighting the complex immunological mechanisms at play. They challenge us to rethink our views on viral infections and long-term health implications.