Devin Moss, a Humanist chaplain for someone on death row, explores the limits of our commitments to others. Bart and John discuss the challenges of asymmetrical relationships, evolving circumstances in marriage, setting personal boundaries, and balancing commitments with self-care. The conversation also delves into managing inner circles, making sustainable commitments, and the value of deep listening in brief interactions.

An atheist chaplain shares his experience providing spiritual counsel to a convicted murderer on death row without invoking God. They discuss humanist approaches to death and life, offering peace and perspective in the face of existential threats. The conversation explores radical hope, embracing humanity in adversity, and the complexities of defining personal beliefs without traditional faith.