Derrick Day, host of the Forward podcast and author of Deructing Religion, pairs up with Rob Bell, renowned author of Love Wins and a modern theological voice. They delve into the fascinating intersection of quantum physics and spirituality, suggesting heaven and hell are states of consciousness rather than destinations. Their discussion challenges rigid beliefs, emphasizing the role of heretics in sparking innovation within faith. Day and Bell explore how science can reshape our understanding of divine love and existence, encouraging a fresh, holistic view of spirituality.