Derek Owen, an investigative reporter and co-author of an in-depth piece on FBI counterintelligence, joins R.M. Schneiderman, another investigative journalist, to discuss the FBI's tumultuous evolution post-9/11. They reveal how past failures reshaped counterintelligence and highlight the impact of political influences, particularly Kash Patel's role. The conversations touch on pressing threats from China, notable espionage cases, and internal tensions within the Bureau. Anecdotes from their investigation bring to life the complexities of contemporary national security.
