Nate Soares, the Executive Director at MIRI, and Deger Turan, who leads the AI Objectives Institute, dive deep into the challenges of AI alignment. They discuss the dual nature of AI as both a potential threat and a solution to societal issues. The conversation spans human coordination failures, the urgent need to prioritize human values, and innovative strategies for reducing biases in AI systems. They also emphasize the importance of fostering a hopeful outlook amidst the complexities of AI development, underscoring the need for skilled individuals in this critical field.