David Seymour, the Act Party Leader and Associate Justice Minister, engages in a heated dialogue with Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, Co-leader of Te Pāti Māori. They dissect the Treaty Principles Bill, examining its implications for Māori rights and political representation. The contrasting views reveal deep divides over ancestry-based categorization and the importance of understanding historical contexts. They reflect on New Zealand's unique approach to race relations and advocate for a more inclusive future amidst rising tensions surrounding identity and governance.