Margaret Martin, an expert in Experiential Dynamic Therapies, and Dr. Deb Pollack, who specializes in mental health therapy science, dive into the intricacies of recognizing and challenging psychological defenses. They discuss the importance of distinguishing between ego-syntonic and ego-dystonic defenses for emotional healing. The pair emphasizes how turning against these defenses can facilitate change, explore advanced therapeutic models, and highlight the transformative journey clients experience by confronting their past traumas.