Freddy Gray chats with Dean Kissick, a journalist and author known for his insights into contemporary art. They dive into how political gestures have infiltrated the art world, often overshadowing true engagement with social issues. The conversation touches on the nostalgia gripping artists post-2017, as they grapple with the changing landscape. Dean also critiques the lack of conservative voices in art and advocates for a more experimental approach, addressing the tensions between digital influence and traditional craftsmanship.